In this super exciting episode, we are talking about our upcoming 4-day Retreat happening in Montana in May. This will be our Unbreakable retreat for business owners to get clarity, build confidence and push their limits. But this is more than just a business retreat, no no, it is so unique because we are combining business and life coaching with a Spartan race to top it all off!
If you’ve never heard of a Spartan race, it’s an obstacle course that’s become a huge part of my life. My sister Alesha got me into them, and from the moment I did one (and did not die), I was hooked. Last year I completed 12 Spartan Races, with the last 3 being a beast which are half marathons. Spartans have completely transformed my life, especially my mental toughness. And the amazing thing is that the tougher I’ve become physically, the more my business has grown. That is where the idea of the Unbreakable Retreat came from.
I am joined by three special guests this episode, Adrienne Garland, founder of She Leads Media and marketing strategist, Julie Moses, our vision, goal and accountability coach, and Alesha Burkeen, our health and fitness coach and marketing manager (and my sister!). All of these ladies will join me at the Unbreakable Retreat in May – how exciting!
So join us in this episode where we will talk about our journeys that got us to where we are today (and the lessons we’ve learned), how pushing yourself physically spills over into other areas in your life in the best way possible, what you can expect with our upcoming Unbreakable Retreat and so much more. This one is jam packed – I promise!
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WHAT YOU WILL DISCOVER
How to develop your mental toughness
Our experiences with Spartan Races
The role fitness has played in our lives
What you can get out of our Unbreakable Retreat
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EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
Jennifer:
All right. Hello. Hello. Welcome to the Happy Productive Podcast. I’m your host, Jennifer Dawn, the founder of Jennifer Dawn Coaching and Consulting and Best Planner Ever. If you are a business owner looking for simple, straightforward, easy to understand coaching expert consulting and proven productivity tools. Guess what? And if you want to develop your entire life and business, you are in the right place.
Today, I am so excited for this podcast because we are going to be talking with all the amazing coaches who are going to be with me at the Unbreakable Retreat. Now you might be going, what the heck is the Unbreakable Retreat?
Well, this is a brand-new retreat that we have started. I just read this book and he said, they called their retreats a go forward because they don’t retreat. I’m tempted to call it our go forward. The landing page says it’s a four-day retreat and that’s exactly what it is.
It is a four-day retreat. It is for business owners to get clarity, build confidence and push their limits. Right now, we are having two retreats this year, one in May, which will be happening in Montana for all our lady friends. And then tentatively, we have one scheduled in August, in West Virginia for all the dudes, because you know, men, you need a retreat too. You need a place to go and work on your business and work on yourself.
We are not leaving you out either. Now they could be listening to this show later because it is a podcast it will be out there forever. If that is the case, if it is not the year 2022, check our website, check the details for the dates and the locations of the Unbreakable Retreat for whatever year you might be listening to this.
This retreat. I am telling you guys it’s a business retreat, unlike anything out there. I have never seen anything like this. I have never attended anything like this. Nobody is ever tried to sell me on anything like this and what we’re doing that is so special and so unique is that we are combining business, coaching, life coaching with a Spartan race.
Now, if you’ve never heard of Spartan, it’s called it’s an obstacle, OCR obstacle course racing. And it is a, it’s a race. Not that you’d have to race, but it happens outside though. It’s on terrain. It could be in the mountains. It could be in the desert. It goes for a specific distance 5k, 10k or 21k. They combine it with obstacles.
That’s why it’s called obstacle course racing. So, if you have never heard of it, google Spartan races, and you’ll get the whole down low on what they are. Now, you might be asking why? Why in the world? Why would you want to combine this crazy obstacle course race with business and life coaching? The idea came about from my own personal experiences, which I’m going to be sharing with you today.
It’s really a fascinating story and what I’ve seen from it. I can’t wait to share it with you guys. I know that all our coaches have all had similar experiences to mine, where they took on a physical challenge. When they took that on it up leveled them in other areas of their life where maybe they weren’t really expecting that was going to be the results.
That’s what we’re going to be talking about today. Taking on a physical challenge and exploring the effect that it has on your life and your business. Now I cannot wait to dive in. I’m going to do a quick little introduction of our coaches, but I’m going to ask each of them after I shoot off the names to give us like a sixty second, who are you?
So first there’s me, Jennifer Dawn, founder of Jennifer Dawn Coaching and Consulting. Then we have Adrienne Garland, the founder of She Leads Media. Julie Moses, our vision and goals, accountability coach. Hi Julie. Alesha who is our health and fitness coach, one of our project managers, and marketing managers to better promote coaching.
I like to call her the Spartan goddess because I so look up to her and her accomplishments of what she’s done with these races. I know you guys are going to love it too. Let’s just do a quick little round robin. Adrienne, can you give us all just 60 seconds of who you are and what you’re about.
Adrienne:
Hello, Jennifer. I am so excited to be here with everybody and to also think about the prospect of being together in Montana in May. I cannot wait for that. Like Jennifer said, my name is Adrienne Garland and I’m the CEO of She Leads Media. We produce conferences and events for women leaders and entrepreneurs.
We also host a podcast network called the She Leads podcast network. Everything is designed to help women get their voices, thoughts, and opinions out into the world. On the side, I’m an adjunct professor at both NYU and Rice University. I just love helping people to get super clear on their vision and build a venture that’s profitable.
Jennifer:
Oh, I love it. You guys, we’re so lucky to have been to partner in this retreat with Adrienne and She Leads Media. She’s a brilliant marketing strategist. I’m so excited to get her for four days all to ourselves. I didn’t mention, but at this retreat ratio of like coaches to people is very small.
Lots of coaches, few people, our maximum is eight business owners that we’re accepting so that we can give you guys really amazing, in depth, personalized coaching strategy, work, anything that you need for your life. All right. Thank you, Adrienne. Ms. Julie, tell us a little bit about you.
Julie:
Hi, Julie Moses Whittingham just recently made Whittingham two years ago COVID year. I have been on Jennifer’s team now for about two and a half years starting in sales, but then moving into my passion, which is doing vision work and accountability. I have a varied background. I started as an actress 30 years ago and moved into fundraising and then moved into ad tech, became a senior vice president of a startup.
Then moved into research and consulting then started my own company, Bliss Kit, which is how I originally met Jennifer. Now I am lucky enough to feel like I am really living my purpose, doing vision and accountability work with Jennifer, building a dream house, and building a new house in upstate New York.
I’m married to the man I’m madly in love with. All of that I can tell you came from my constant of doing vision and that’s how much I believe in it and how important it is to make sure that we know what we want in our lives. So that’s a little bit about me.
Jennifer:
Oh, so true. We’re so blessed to have Julie. She’s like this gift. I don’t know how else, if there’s a better way to explain it, but she’s just this gift. We’re so grateful to have her and to work with her. Last but not least Alesha Burkeen you want to tell us a little bit about you?
Alesha:
Absolutely. I am so excited to be here and again, looking so forward to this retreat. I guess I will start with, I am a veteran. I joined the Navy a long, long time ago because I desired travel and adventure. I was lucky enough to do that for ten years and then married a Marine who I had been a Marine spouse for the last twenty plus years. During that time, I’ve had to reinvent myself quite a few times.
I’ve always been gravitated toward roles, trainer. I was a master trainer. I did a lot of events. I did a lot of marketing, and my last role is as a spouse, took us to Hawaii and I got to spend an amazing four years in Hawaii where I think I reinvented myself. I knew it was our last duty station. I knew I needed to figure out what I wanted to be when I grew up and didn’t have that military lifestyle anymore.
I think I hit my midlife crisis where I found fitness and decided to train for my first half marathon. With that, it just kind of opened up a whole new world of opportunities for me. I’ve done a lot of work with the military. After I got out, I worked again within military roles and it’s always been amazing, but the health and fitness really surfaced while I was in Hawaii.
When I got back, I actually was unemployed for quite a while. I remember I found Jen., Jen is, should we tell everyone?
Jennifer:
We should. We should tell them the secret.
Alesha:
Jennifer is my sister, my oldest, smartest. She’s the smartest one. Jenn is my older sister. I remember calling her one night and I said, I don’t know what I’m doing with my life.
I can’t find a job. It’s in the midst of COVID. I said, do you want any free work? You know, just to keep my skills sharp. Jen said, of course. So that opened up this new door and I started working with Jen back in November of 2019. From there I’ve done a lot of marketing and project management. The more I’ve gotten into Spartan and shared my knowledge and my passionate about Spartan, I have found my true, I think my true calling which is being a health and fitness coach.
So, I’m excited to continue that adventure with Jennifer and the team and really show how not just Spartans. Spartans are just one piece of the pie, but just how really using your body or mind can help enhance your mind and all of that, bring that power out is really what I have found.
Jennifer:
Absolutely. And you guys, it was actually Alesha who got me into the Spartan. So that night that she called me and she’s just like, I need something to do. I can’t be unemployed without direction, any longer. I was like, I’ll take some free marketing help in my business. Absolutely. It lasted about three days and then I’m like, you’re hired, don’t even think about working anywhere else.
I had seen her over in Hawaii and I’m in New York, she was in Hawaii for four years which I’m so grateful that she got to be there. I also hated it because my sister was so far away. I almost never got to talk to her because the time zone was so drastic and just her working hours, my working hours, it was really hard for us to be able to talk. I would see her on Facebook, like doing these amazing races and it really blew my mind.
She’s the one that actually got me to do my very first Spartan race, which was in April of last year. I don’t even think I heard of a Spartan race. I’m like, what is that? I had done some 5ks in my life, just a few. It was after I had children, three of them. I never really reclaimed my fitness that I had when I was in high school.
In high school, I ran track. It was a cheerleader. Like I did all these physical things, and it was really fantastic. And I maintained my fitness throughout the years, but nothing that felt really committed or focused. I had always wanted to do like a mud run. I was like, for some reason that felt fun to me.
When I found out she was doing the Spartan races, when she got transferred back from Hawaii to North Carolina, she’s like, I need to do these races with somebody. I raised my hand. I’m like, okay, I’m a little afraid, but I will do them with you. She’s like, woo little did I know the train rollercoaster I was jumping on?
When I started last year, I was really very unfit. We’re going to call it starting on the couch. The way the year kicked off is I started by doing 75 Hard. I’ve done podcast shows about this and 75 Hard is 75 days. It’s kind of a mental toughness challenge where you work out twice a day and you stick to your diet. They have you drinking a gallon of water, which was actually a little too much for me, but, they have you doing these things.
In January, in upstate New York in winter, I decided, this is a great idea to commit to working out twice a day. Once outside for at least 45 minutes and what that was for me at that time was walking. I basically started walking twice a day. It was really, really hard.
I did finish the 75 days. I found at the end of 75 days trying to fit all of those things in every day with my schedule, it kind of sucked a little bit of the joy out of my day. I really felt like every minute of the day was just booked to get all of that in. I definitely wanted to back off of that a little bit, but still have another physical challenge.
I committed to do my first Spartan, sprint, which is a 5k race in Charlotte, North Carolina with my sister in April. I’m thinking, okay, I’m going to do maybe three of these races. The 5k is all I’m going to be able to handle. I fly down to Charlotte in April meet my sister and off we go.
I’ve done a podcast I’m pretty sure about this. I’m pretty sure I have. I’ve done some Monday fires in our goal achiever’s groups where I share my experience. You guys, it was the most overwhelming thing ever. I was so intimidated to be there. There were obstacles I couldn’t do. I cried three times, not like bawling crying, but like eyes welled up with tears.
I’m so out of my comfort zone, what have I done? It was a 5k. It probably ended up being four miles. Spartan likes to make the joke that when they say it’s a 5k and it’s supposed to be three miles, it’ll probably be four, in some venues, five. Keep in mind, they’re out on terrain so it can be difficult. If you’re on the side of the mountain, you can’t be like, oh, you’re at mile twelve we’re done now. You have to get off the mountain. The distance can be a little bit flexible, but my sister helped me over obstacles. There was a couple of guys that we met, who lifted our butts up over the eight-foot wall. At the end, I literally, I’m going to say, I didn’t feel like, oh my God, that was so wonderful.
I was in shock. I was in absolute shock that I had just done that. I didn’t die. I finished. It was probably about an hour or two later in the truck on the way back to the hotel that I started feeling this amazing confidence, like confidence. I don’t know how else to describe it, but just like holy crap.
I did it. I wasn’t good. I wasn’t fast. I couldn’t do all the obstacles, but I got out there and I got out of my comfort zone and I did it. It’s like, the power just started like flowing through my body when I got over the shock of the whole thing. I was like if I can do that, I could do anything.
I literally was like, I am unstoppable. Look what I just did. Oh, my goodness. So long story short, I went from the couch in January to I did 12 Spartan races late year. I had said I was going to do three. I ended up doing twelve and my last, I think three races were the beast, which is a half marathon. They are different distances.
We can talk later about the one that I didn’t finish in Killington, which is the hardest course where I took on too much and failed. We can talk about that later. I ended up doing twelve races where I said I was going to do three. My total distance went from a 5k at three to four miles to the New Jersey beast where there was seventeen miles is what I clocked. I completed all of them. What happened with my confidence was crazy.
What happened with my mental toughness? I don’t know how else to explain it, but my mental toughness was that when I came back into my life, as the year was going on challenges and things that I was dealing with just didn’t seem that hard anymore.
When you do the 5k and you think, oh my God, I’m going to die. Then you go and you do a 10k. That was Palmerton. Alesha remember that? That was again, I took on a little too much, but then you go back, and you do the 5k. That was so easy. What was so hard became so easy. Then you do a beast and you’re like, wow. The 10k is a piece of cake. I could do that all day long. So, it’s that process of up leveling that happened over the course of a year. It didn’t happen in one day. The amazing thing is that my business revenues two and a half times. I didn’t think I was doing anything different in the business, but what happened was I changed me.
I changed who I was by taking on this physical challenge. Then when I came back into the business, I brought that into the business and things that might’ve scared me in the business before no longer seemed that big of a deal. If you can survive two miles and a Florida swamp, I can do anything. It’s all good.
That’s where the idea of the Unbreakable Retreat came from. Seeing the results that happened in my business because I was out doing this physical challenge and it was so unexpected to me, that amazing result. That’s where I came up with the idea of the Unbreakable retreat. I thought we need to help more people do this work on their business, but then also compare it with that physical challenge to get out of that comfort zone. What you develop out there on the course, you will bring back into the other areas of your life.
I want to hear from you guys to tell your stories, but that’s where the Unbreakable retreat came from. That’s why all the amazing, beautiful coaches on this call are all going to be at the Unbreakable Retreat. I’d love to start with Ms. Adrienne. Now, if you had a similar experience, when you’ve taken on a physical challenge, tell us about it, and how did that affect your business?
Adrienne:
Years ago, I started, sort of jogging with a friend. Her husband is one of these, ultra-marathoners. He does all of the…I forgot what it’s called, the big race in Hawaii. It’s a triathlon.
Jennifer:
Iron man
Adrienne:
He’s an iron man fanatic. Because of him, he encouraged my friends and I to do a mini triathlon. That is something that I was very afraid of doing. Each one of the physical challenges in themselves to me, were not that difficult, but when you combined all three of them together. Especially the thought of coming out of water and then getting on a bike or running, I can’t remember which was something that made me very uncomfortable.
Even when I’m working out and everything, I don’t like to feel uncomfortable. Being able to sort of accomplish that and get through that to the end. Again, it’s, who knows where I ranked or anything like that. That particular challenge set off many more challenges that I have given myself physically throughout my life.
I’ve done things like a half marathon in Central Park. There’s just so many lessons when you’re getting to the end, and you feel like you can’t take another step. Somebody out of nowhere grabs your arm and says, come on, girl, we’re doing this together to the end.
That person literally disappears. You never see them. There’s something that is bigger that sort of has my back, and that piece of knowledge has really helped me, not only in my business, but also in my life to have trust that I don’t have to be the one that is carrying everything on my shoulders.
That has been a radical change in approach. I guess just growing up, I always felt like I needed to do everything myself. I was tough about it. I don’t need anyone’s help, but you know, the reality is that I do need help and that has also infused itself into my business.
I finally realized this year that I need a lot of help if I want to get to a certain level in my business.
Jennifer:
It’s so true, Adrienne. That first Spartan course, when I had to ask my baby sister to help me get my fat ass up over a four-foot wall. The ego of having to check my ego and I have to ask for help here. I had no idea how hard that would be, but if we don’t ask for help, we don’t get the benefit of help from other people who have been there, done it. We don’t get that curve shortened for us. We’re just stuck in finding the solution. But the truth is the solutions out there everything’s been solved.
But if we don’t ask for help, we don’t get that help. I love that you said that because it’s so very important that you learned that you had to ask for help. Super powerful. Oh, my goodness. Thank you. The other thing you mentioned that was so important was those experiences that happen when you’re out there doing these races or training for things.
I love how you said you don’t even know where you’re ranked. I have no idea where I rank. You call it a race, but I don’t know. I’m not racing. I’m racing myself when I’m out there. I am no specimen of physical fitness. You guys, you’re never going to see a picture of my abs on social media ever.
If you’re thinking, oh, you have to be so fit. No, it’s bullshit. You don’t. You can be in any physical shape that you’re in. In fact, out on Spartan courses, one of the most inspiring things I’ve seen is people of all ages, all sizes, from large women, small women, large men, small men, old, young, skinny, fat, like you name it.
They are out there and they’re all just out there to do their personal best. It is so very inspiring, so very inspiring. So those little moments that happen. There was a course, Alesha, it was Palmerton where they had the dunk wall. We had to go through the lake and one of our other sisters had joined us on this race.
Alesha and Michelle were up ahead of me, and I was behind cause I’m the older one and we came to a dunk wall. So, think of this big inflatable wall. You’re in the middle of a lake that you’ve just walked a hundred yards through. You have to dunk under this wall. It’s maybe two feet wide. It’s not very far, but it’s a dunk wall. You dunk under it and swim underneath it. If you’re lucky the water is clean, if you’re lucky. A young girl came up next to me and you could tell she was absolutely terrified of this dunk wall. I was like, are you okay? She said, well, normally my mother is here with me on these courses, but she’s not.
I had a couple of years ago, a pulmonary embolism. The idea of holding my breath and going underwater, absolutely terrifying. I’m like, totally legit. I would be terrified too. I said to her, let’s do it together. I’m not your mom, but she was younger than me. She maybe could have been my daughter.
I said, I’m not your mom, but you’re not alone in this. Let’s do it together. We did. We dunked under. We came up. Everything was fine. You know, we finished going through the lake and talked a little bit further and then I never saw her again. But to just have that moment where you either receive help or give help, it’s just like the most coolest thing. It’s so hard to explain that can happen in life. I know Alesha, you’ve experienced this too. So tell us a little bit about your story, your physicality and how that’s improved your life.
Alesha:
Awesome. Adrienne, I love what you shared because I find that every course I go on, I meet somebody. There have been people I could probably tell you 30 plus stories. You want to see them again, but just having that moment is so special. I was in the military for 10 years and I hated to work out. I hated it. I struggled every six months. You have to do a physical fitness test, where you run swim. I just did the bare minim to get by. I was not physical.
I do like to be physical, and I like to be active, but it wasn’t until I want to say I’d had my youngest daughter. I have two. I had a really bad thyroid issue. By the time I was diagnosed, I had gained 30 pounds and just sluggish and tired. They put me on medication and I was on this medication for maybe six years.
I still felt brain fog, exhaustion, and fatigue. The thought of working out would make me want to go take a nap for seven hours. I finally got really tired of that. I started doing some research and I found a diet that helps you heal your thyroid. I switched to my medication and slowly but surely the lights started to come back on. I started working out.
I remembered this and was telling this story the other day. I remember not being able to do more than maybe 10 seconds of let’s say jumping jacks at a time. Then it was maybe five wall push-ups. That is how weak I was. I was so weak. I probably couldn’t even walk half a mile. But I did. I just started these little micro workouts.
Then the next thing I knew I was doing 30 seconds of jumping jacks. Then I was doing 10 wall pushups, and then it was a minute. Then it was two minutes and slowly but surely. I did this maybe for four months and I said, oh, I’m going to go for a run. I’m just curious. I had been doing these workouts in my bedroom, literally next to my bed.
I didn’t want anybody to see me. I went out, I ran three miles. Now it was slow. But I was like, what? I just remember feeling this excitement of feeling my body When you’ve been sick for eight years and walking is so exhausting, that feeling of invigoration. I could just feel my body, my mind coming back to life.
It really triggered something new. When we went to Hawaii, it was my fault. I was turning 40 and I decided to train for a half marathon. I did all the training by myself. I had a Nike App, it was couched to half marathon. I think there really is that training plan. I trained all by myself and I ran and I ran. I remember going out there and having the best run of my life.
So, in Hawaii, they have this mountain called diamond head and it’s a big crater. This race takes you up the highest hill to the top of the crater back down. You turn around, you come back up and then you come back down. I just remember great, great run. But the last leg I was coming back down, my knee started really hurting.
Cause I hadn’t done a lot of elevation running. I’m coming. I’m maybe a mile from the finish line and I start slowing down. In fact, I start walking and almost limping because my knee hurts so bad. I hear this girl behind me go, don’t stop. She’s like, I have been following you. You have been my motivation, this whole race.
She’s been right behind me. Didn’t even know. I’m like, who’s going to use me as their pacer. She actually ended up passing me. I didn’t mind. But that really was such an experience where my confidence, I just thought, you know, the training that you have to go through and to accomplish that. I was really happy with my time.
Then I set my sights on my first Spartan. I don’t even remember how I came across Spartan, but Hawaii, there’s only one race a year, every August because you’re on an island. They can only come out there once a year. I remember I got a trainer. I trained for my first Spartan and I had these lofty goals.
I was going to go out and do a super. I just ran a half marathon. Right. A super should be no problem.
Jennifer:
A super is a 10k you guys
Alesha:
So the sprint like Jen was talking about is a 5k, super is a 10k. I’m like, I’m coming off a half marathon. Super, no problem. I decided to do a super and a sprint.
I go out its, August in Hawaii, 197% humidity. It happened to be 90 something degrees out there. The elevation in Hawaii was something that I hadn’t prepared myself for. I hadn’t done a lot of hill training. I lived on the flat side of the island. I go out and that super y’all crushed my soul. Crushed my soul.
That was fun. Mind you, but like Jen said, Spartans, they don’t know how to do math. So a 10k really turned out to be, I want to say I did nine and a half, maybe 10 miles for that super plus potentially 3000 plus feet of elevation. Now the obstacles I got most of them, but I had trained for them.
I remember getting back and I’m purple. I’m so hot and I’m supposed to go back out for a sprint and I’m like, I can’t do it. I can’t do it. So the fact that Jen, you know, put these 12 races under her belt in a year to me just blows my mind. I really phased myself into this. I did a half marathon and then I did a super. I started really getting into a lot of other half marathons on the island because there’s not many races there. Going out there and doing those elevation runs.
I set my sights on a trifecta. I had a whole year to train for it, Jen. A whole year. I found all these races with elevation, but a trifecta. It comes to Hawaii again once a year. So, that was August. I had a whole year to train for the next August trifecta where you do a beast, which is a half marathon.
In Hawaii, it’s probably 4,500 feet, a hundred feet of elevation. I think it’s about 30 obstacles. You do the beast on Saturday and then Sunday, you would do the super in the morning with a little bit of a break and you go back out and you do a sprint right after. You do all three races in two days.
When I tell you guys I trained. I luckily, I found a great group in Hawaii. We trained every weekend, obstacles, running. I wasn’t prepared for my first Spartan. I just wasn’t. I went more for strength training, left the running out and you really have to do both. I did. I went out there that weekend and it was hard.
When I say you train with people, but when you’re out on that course, and everybody wants to maybe stay together. We did for one race, but then you want to try to push yourself and everybody ends up in their own bubbles. I remember I ended up by myself. You walk up to one of these obstacles and you’re by yourself.
I’m thinking, you know, all those thoughts come in. Can I do these monkey bars? I’m scared. What if I fall? What if I don’t want to look like an idiot? It’s hard. It’s hard. Y’all when you’re a kid running around on the monkey bars and you’re playing. Remember those days when you’re swinging and you’re flinging. It’s easy.
Then you get old. These things that used to be fun and easy. They’re hard. They are scary.
Julie:
Alesha, never easy for me. The bars, when I was kid.
Alesha:
Well, merry-go-round whatever, you just had no fear when you were younger. You would just go out and you’d play and you’d run and jump. I just remember feeling this fear take over me the first few races. Even now I’ll run up to the monkey bars. I’ve done them a hundred times, but l get butterflies come up.
What if I fail? These are hard things. Just because you do them one time doesn’t mean you can do them every time. I just remember that time, that first trifecta being alone out there on this course. Of course ,you meet people. Yes. But you still are by yourself, and you have to come up with this.
Are you going to do it? How much are you going to give? I started to set this rule. You might fail, but I don’t care. Give each obstacle a hundred percent. Try your very, very hardest, because then you’ll know what to train for, how far you can go. I started just building up confidence.
When you do one of those obstacles for the first time, I climbed the rope. I can’t even begin to explain. It was better than any Christmas present I’ve ever gotten. You just have this sense of accomplishment. You’ve overcome such a scary thing that like Jen said, your mindset set starts to shift. You start to think, I am a badass.
You know, I just did that. I said nobody else is around to celebrate it with you. I think that’s a huge shift because maybe you’ve always had to have validation from other people, or you’ve always needed to have that high. See, look what I did, see. I know I’ve had that, does it count if nobody’s around, if nobody saw you to share in that experience? It counts in here and it counts in here.
That just really started me off on this wild wind adventure. The rest of the time I was in Hawaii, I got to do a lot of half marathons, but only once a year, did I get to do those Spartan races. Coming back, we moved back and COVID kind of cleared up. When that COVID cleared up and Jen said she was ready to go, I said, well, let’s just sign up for all these.
She’s crazy like me. We signed up for one after the other. We just went out and it was such a blast. Jen, we should talk about though the first time, because we had stayed together for almost every single race we had done.
I didn’t want to leave her. It’s a scary thing to be out there and you know, it’s my sister. I get to race with my sister. I didn’t want to leave her, but we were at different levels and. It didn’t bother me. I was just getting back into it. The first race where Jen had to go out on her own, I felt terrible, but we were in West Virginia.
Jennifer:
It was West Virginia. West Virginia has a trifecta weekend. Alesha had gone out and done the beast on Saturday because she is a beast. So she’d done the beast on Saturday. I was just really there for moral support and hanging out in the festival area because I was just not ready for it yet.
On Sunday, you do the super and the sprint, the 10k and the 5k. So her and I went out in West Virginia and we did the 10k together but she had already done the beast on the day before. Remember the blisters. She had these huge blisters on her feet and she was just like, I can’t. I know it killed her.
She was just like, I can’t go back out.
Alesha:
I was going through a trifecta weekend.
Jennifer:
She was doing that trifecta and it just killed her, but she was like, I can’t go. I had never been out by myself. It killed me to see her. I knew she was so disappointed and she really wanted to go out and I had a moment you guys right there where I could totally wuss out. I could just be like, oh, well my sister’s hurt, I did the 10k so I’m done now. I just remember feeling like I have to do this. I know my sister can’t go out with me, but I have to go back out there. West Virginia was no simple course. It was not flat. There was elevation. There’d been a huge rainstorm. They shut down the course for a little bit.
What I didn’t know at the time was this. Because of the huge rainstorm and it turned everything to really slick mud when you’re trying to climb up and you’re trying to climb down. It made the course even more treacherous. I was just like, I don’t know why, I don’t know where it came from, but I’m like I have to go out and do this by myself.
I did, and I went out and I finished the 5k by myself. The whole thing ended up being this just amazing learning experience for Alesha to have to say no, I can’t go back out, even though I really want to. It’s just not in my best interest for my health. Live to run another day. I think we had another race coming up.
Alesha:
We had Vermont.
Jennifer:
Oh my God. They call it Killington for a reason. We were concerned, her blisters wouldn’t heal in time to go out and do the big race that was coming up. For me, it was getting outside my comfort zone. I can do this by myself and it’s a whole other experience when you’re out there by yourself.
It’s just like you, the elements and you, because when you get out there, like there’s no exit. There’s no ramp off to be like, I don’t want to do this anymore. You are committed. You are out there. It’s harder to turn around and try to go back against traffic than it is to have to just continue through and see it through to the end.
When we talk about life, how often do we have things in life that were like, I don’t want to deal with. I’m going to distract myself with TV or food or shopping or booze or whatever it is so I don’t have to deal with this hard thing in my life. When you’re out on a course, you have to deal with it. The only way through is through.
When you learn that you can deal with stuff and you can deal with really hard stuff and you can actually go through it and you survive. You’re like, I did that. This is what I mean by you bring it. Alesha, you made such a great comment about, it was soul crushing. I had a couple of soul crushing experiences.
The first was Palmerton, which is a ski mountain. You climb up and we were there, one of our other sisters joined us. We were there to run the 5k with Alesha. Last minute we were like, hey, why don’t we go out and just do the 10k. I’ve done a couple races by now thought I was, hot stuff. Palmerton was soul crushing.
You climb up this mountain, then down in the mountain, up the mountain and down the mountain. It was almost like a beast. The terrain was so intense. After that 10k, I did not want to go back out the next day. I was just like, nothing is getting me back out there. As I’m climbing that mountain, I’m like, I am not coming back out here on Sunday. It is not happening, but I survived it. What did I do? I went back out on Sunday. When you do things that are literally soul crushing, I wanted to just curl up a little ball and cry and say, everybody leave me alone because this is really hard. You go back out, and you do it.
Again, then afterwards that happiness is found on the other side of hard. This is one of the things I have learned so much over the last year. When you do the hard stuff, when you go through it and you accomplish it. It doesn’t matter if it was pretty, or if you were the fastest. I skipped so many Spartan obstacles last year because I was really just working on distance. This year, I want to work on obstacles this year. When you go through it, happiness is there. Happiness lives on the other side of heart.
That’s how you become unbreakable. Julie, I want to hear from you. Share some of your experiences and your stories.
Julie:
Sure. You know, I was a big kid. I was a chubby kid. I was bigger than all the boys. I beat almost all of them at arm wrestling. So subsequently there was also, a lot of name calling, a lot of bullying. I was also athletic. I had good sport in me, but as far as, you know, monkey bars, more things like that, those were terrifying to me. Climbing a rope, that physical fitness, there was the president’s physical fitness that you had to do every year. It was terrible for me.
I just couldn’t lift my body up. We had to hang from a bar. These tiny girls would get up there and they’d swing. They’d look up and they’d stay up there forever. I would stay up there for 20 seconds tops and drop. It was so embarrassing to be that kid who couldn’t do those things. As I got older, around 15, I sort of started growing out of that heaviness just naturally, but it mentally was still there. My heaviness was still there mentally. I started going to the gym at 15 years old and really didn’t stop. I just proceeded to continue to get stronger and always work out.
However, life throws you different challenges and different things. Late in life around 40, I got in a relationship that I thought was the one. Five years later, after a lot of heartache, manipulation and bad juju with this person, I decided that it was time for me to leave that relationship.
I did, and then I looked at my body and was like, wow, I am so out of shape. What happened? I got super comfortable with this guy. I stopped working out because he didn’t really work out. I just felt like a lump. I decided I was going to change that and get in my best shape ever, which meant me getting up at 4:30 in the morning to get to a 6:00 AM training session with my personal trainer and then go to work.
I worked in sales at the time. So, you basically you earn what you catch, right? So my body started to change. My energy started to change. I truly did begin to have the six pack abs that had so been elusive my whole life. I felt so incredible. And, that absolutely affected how I performed at work.
It absolutely affected how I felt about myself at 45 years old. I thought I’ll never meet a guy again. Who meets somebody at 45? Literally I was beating men off with a stick. I was so confident because I had such strength, such inner strength from my physical strength. I felt it. Just to put on clothing and have it just ease on and never be struggling in the morning. Like, what am I going to wear? I can wear anything. It’s going to look great. All of it’s going to look great.
I could wear a t-shirt. I could wear a sack and feel terrific in it because I know underneath I’m strong and fit. That was just one example of getting back into shape from being out of shape and how that affected me mentally, emotionally, physically, and at work. Yes, crushing it at work. Blowing past my sales goals and really bringing in more money than I’d ever brought in in my life. I definitely think there is a direct correlation between working out, feeling your best and doing your best in life.
Jennifer:
I agree completely Julie and that’s part of why, even for our business coaching this year, we’ve added health coaching for all of our business clients. If you don’t have the energy and the vitality to show up and to do that work on your business because you’re sick, tired and overwhelmed all the time, you just can’t show up and work at that level you need to work to take your business to where you want to take it to. Can I ask you because you’ve never done a Spartan race, right?
Julie:
No.
Jennifer:
Exactly. And I know there’s going to be some people listening to this who, when they find out what Spartan races are, are going to be intimidated. They’re going to be scared. They’re going to be like, oh hell no. I’m not doing that.
I would love to hear, because you’re one of the coaches coming to this retreat, but you’re also participating. You’re going to be doing your very first Spartan race. Talk to me a little bit about like, what does that feel like?
Julie:
Well, of course it’s intimidating, right? I’m getting over some injuries that keep seeming to dog me.
I did try to start running last year for the first time in 30 years. A friend of mine went from couch to running the New York marathon last year. I was so inspired by her journey and she said, come on, come with me. You can granny trot. That’s what I did. I granny trotted my way up to about two and a half miles.
At the same time, maybe the way I was holding it, but I have a neck injury. I have a neck issue. It aggravated that tremendously. So I’ve stopped. I’m a little nervous about training for this. This is a neck injury that’s not going to go away. It’s going to get progressively worse most likely as I get older. Side note on that though, on my vision last year, I put, I’m going to get out of my pain from my neck, through the course of doing exercises, and going to a great practitioner, I was song’s neck pain by the end of last year. Even when you think it’s not possible because the doctors have said it’s never going to get better and you’re just going to have to deal with the pain.
No, that is not true. So knowing that, I’m excited to just train slowly and get there. Doing the Spartan in May, gives me so much more motivation to get on my game and get into a workout routine that can push my limits. Having worked out since I was 15, I do it, but I don’t really push myself. Frankly, I’m the oldest person on the team, I think pretty sure. That also is intimidating. I know that there are people older than me doing Spartan races. But I feel like, in my mind I’m thinking, well, okay, they’ve been doing marathons for years and they’re that kind of person.
The person that wasn’t unable to do the monkey bars when they were in grammar school. I often feel like I’m just very bulky, so lifting myself up and feels like something I won’t be able to do, but I’m excited for the challenge. I’m more than scared. I’m excited. I know that you will be there with me helping me along the way. I’m also excited about taking that help and getting over my ego and making it happen.
Jennifer:
Oh, I love this so much. One of the reasons why I personally love Spartan so much is you don’t have to run the whole thing. Often, most of my courses I’ve walked. I’m not a great runner, maybe that will improve.
Then the obstacles that you’re doing, many of the obstacles I might try but, I don’t have any chance of climbing a rope right now where I’m at and the monkey bars. They’re not a possibility. By the end of the year, my hope is that they will be. I love that. There’s always, you can always do something better on a Spartan.
They’re going to present something to you that is just, Ooh, that gives me room for improving. I don’t feel like there’s ever going to be like, oh, I’ve got it. It’s nailed. I can’t do any better. There’s always going to be that challenge where you could always do a little bit better or be able to then conquer that obstacle that you couldn’t conquer before, but you’re listening to this.
You don’t have to run the whole thing. You don’t have to do every obstacle, but it is, that mental toughness of just being out on the course and being willing. For me, it was being willing to put my hands on the rope and just attempt to pull myself up. Ain’t happening. But I’m like, let me try.
Adrienne. I’d love to hear from you too, because you’ve never done a Spartan either. So what’s going through your head about this wonderful thing that you’ve just committed to.
Adrienne:
I’m sort of not afraid of doing challenging things, especially when it comes to physical fitness, because I do feel like I have a pretty good level of fitness., I am afraid of getting hurt that’s for sure. I broke my wrist when I was 40 snowboarding and it was one of the most painful things in my entire life. I had to get surgery from it and everything. But even after that, I said, I’m not letting this wrist injury change the way that I do anything. I push and I still do. I go to yoga even now. I’m overweight, you know, and, and all of it. But even when I go to yoga now, I push myself because I say, if I don’t push myself, now, it’s only going to be worse when I’m older.
I also belong to an absolutely lovely gym. I go to some classes because they are things that push me outside of my comfort zone. One of the classes that I go to is boxing. There’s a wonderful woman that teaches boxing and she’s super tough in everything that we do. I’m like, I can’t do that. You know, just whatever. But she came over to me a couple of weeks ago when I was doing the pushups. I can’t do pushups. It’s very difficult for me. It’s the body weight thing. I do them on my knees and she said to me, I know that this is going to seem weird but put yourself in a push-up position.
I could go down, but I can’t go up. She said, I don’t care how you get back up, but just keep your body in the position as a regular pushup, because if you don’t do it the right way, you’re never going to be able to do it. Even if I like flop up and I’ll tell you that I can do one pushup now, like a full ass pushup.
It’s that mental and Alesha, I’m sure that you know. This is what you help people with. If you compromise and you are always doing things sort of the wrong way, you’re never going to be able to do it the right way. So like Jennifer, you said, grab the rope to see how it feels.
It’s the same thing with like the pushup, do it the right way to see how it feels.
Alesha:
No, that’s a good point. One thing I tell people to do is don’t ever do them on your knees, do them on an inverted surface. Even if it’s against the wall or on a bench, that way you’re using your plank and your core because doing them on your knees, it’s not even activating the same thing that a pushup would.
So that’s great advice. You guys are talking about your injuries, and it brought me back to when I was, I want to say 32 and I threw my back out. Now I am young. I had lost a lot of weight. I look amazing and I go to the chiropractor, threw my back out on our way to do. And he tells me I have the back of a 70-year-old. You know, being in the Navy. I was a jet mechanic. I lifted a lot of heavy things, and I did a lot of things.
I’ve slipped and fell on my tailbone a few times, but I’ve never really worked out to strengthen muscles the way that they should. I couldn’t walk for months, and I just remember thinking, how am I 32 and I feel like I’m like walking like a 90-year-old. I remember telling myself, it was kind of when I was getting back into that health thing was, your body is going to take care of you for years, but putting that effort into what you need to make sure that you’re strong and you’re healthy.
I did, I came back from that and now I have zero back problems. For me, it was all muscular. It wasn’t like a disc or anything that you know, was serious that required surgery. I realized I have just been neglecting the parts of my body that are going to carry me through. Feeling that when you’re out on the course and there’s these obstacles, my first one, I remember training. All I wanted to do was the rope climb and the spear throw. Now I knew I could do the bucket and some of these other. I’m like Julie. I’m very stout. I can hike up a hill with a sandbag. I remember training for those two obstacles. That’s all I focused on. I nailed them because that was my focus.
I just picked two. One thing that I love about Spartan and I’m sure we’re going to close it out here soon, but Spartan looks at, they build the course to simulate life and life is messy. Life is not predictable. Life is not, you’re not going to get to a certain distance and be done. When they joke about, oh, a 5k, it’s never a 5k. It could be four, it could be five, whatever. They may decide to switch the obstacle rotation up. You’re never going to hit the same course. What I love out there is. Killington’s a great example. They start you off on a mile hike, straight up over a thousand feet elevation. That’s mile one.
Mile three, they do it again under a ski lift, straight up, almost a mile.
Jennifer:
The death march.
Alesha:
The death March. Then the mile eleven. I’m like when are we going to start to go up or down? Like, I can always sense when the course end is coming, especially in a beast, I’m looking at my watch, it’s tracking fourteen plus miles. It’s got to be around here soon. Mind you, a beast is a thirteen point, whatever. They are never going to give you a predictable course. When you think you’ve gotten through the hardest part, nine times out of 10, they’re going to make it harder. I remember in Killington, this happened. Mile one, you know, straight up at a thousand feet, mile three, do it again.
We’re running around it’s mile eleven and I’m with this group of people, we’re all hanging on and making comments. I’m like, you know, when are we going to get to start to go to down. We turn a corner and I’m like, where’s mile twelve. He goes, you’re not going to want to see it. We turn the corner and mile twelve was back up another cliff face.
I remember having to dig in with my nails to try to get up the side of this mountain. I’m thinking, what the hell is wrong with you, Spartan? Sp we get up that mountain. It was another, I think I was at 5,000 feet elevation, turn the corner and we finally get to start to go down. This isn’t like a down, this is like down, like straight down, like you’re kind of pulling back so that you don’t fall over on your face.
Then what’s at the bottom of the hill? The sandbag carry. This is mile thirteen mind you, but really, and truly miles sixteen. I’m not telling this to scare you. I’m sharing this because I love the philosophy. Life is never going to be easy. It’s never going to be predictable. When you go through these challenges and you say to yourself, I’m done. I’m done, I can’t take another step. You’re really not done. To pull within you and find that you can do that sandbag carry. There are four more obstacles at this point, at the end of that Killington beast. I’m sitting here thinking I’m done. There’s no way. Guess what the last obstacle was after the sandbag carry, which was through three feet of mud, up a hill, down a hill.
Then there was like the Hercules hoist and another obstacle that was pretty easy for me. The last obstacle after I think I was clocking close to sixteen miles was the monkey bars. It’s a race finale, everyone’s around. If you don’t make it through, you have to do well you don’t have to, but the penalty is 30 burpees. I’m like, not happening.
I love when my sister is my cheerleader and she’s there because she’s got the camera out. I remember thinking, just try that’s all you can do is try and almost on the last one I swung and I almost missed. But then you hit this bell and it’s like, woo. You run through the finish line. You know, I just love that analogy with how they build these courses to really simulate.
So like when Jen says, you can make it through that you go through and you’re like, oh, there was a long line at the grocery store. So what, you know, there’s so many worse things that you’ve been through.
Jennifer:
It’s so true. Alesha, I love what you said and Julie you too about the monkey bars, right? You were always the kid who couldn’t grab and I’m still there. I cannot do monkey bars. I can’t hold myself up. But I remember, so guys Killington is the hardest Spartan course there is. We’re not doing Killington at the retreat. We’re doing Montana, which is the most scenic and beautiful Spartan course.
Killington is the hardest number one rated, difficulty race. I got to tell you, my sister, she went out and she did it on Saturday by herself. Then she turned around and did it on Sunday with me and my son. Killington was the race that’s crushed my soul because I couldn’t finish. I got, I think, thirteen miles in and I had to cut off the last two miles and come in with the sprinters who were on the 5k because it was just too much for me.
It was just so hard. That course I totally cried on, and it totally crushed my soul. No question whatsoever. But 30 days later, I went out and did the New Jersey beast all by myself, seventeen miles. Let me tell you, Killington prepared me for that. I would never have been able to go out and do that. If I hadn’t failed at Killington, it’s hard to say failed because when you’ve gone that many miles through that kind of terrain. It doesn’t entirely feel like a failure, but when you have to walk at the end and they’re trying to hand you your medal and I’m like, nope, I’m not taking it because I didn’t do those last two miles.
One of my favorite things though, was watching my sister. I don’t know if you remember this Alesha that little tiny, skinny girls. Skinny girls, we love you too. But you can like hang on, they don’t weigh anything and they can just whoop whoop and you see them at the Spartan races.
I’m just like, how do they do that? Alesha, there was a group of men standing at the monkey bars and I’ve got my camera and she gets up there. You’re five, nine. Right? You’re, a larger girl. That’s not a, not a heavy girl, but like a bigger girl. I am not petite.
She gets up there and she owns those monkey bars. This group of men were not really giving her the time of day. As she gets a little further and a little further, every one of their heads was like, look what this girl is doing. I remember Alesha saying to me, I love it when they think, this girl will never make it across and she just owns that shit.
I’m like, yes. It’s so great.
Alesha:
I remember hearing a lot of cheering, which was awesome,
Jennifer:
When you do something like that, it’s just so amazing. It’s so powerful to watch it happening. To see somebody you care about doing it and then to be a part of it, even when you quote fail. I had to like, oh, it was just the shame of it all. My sister and my son both finished the race and I didn’t. I was crying and it was just awful. It was just so hard. I probably took on a little more than I should have a little too soon before I was ready. But whatever that’s who I am too, it’s like, I’m going to get out there. I’m going to try. I gave it my a hundred percent.
It wasn’t good enough. I still survived. Then I went back out and I did survive another race and, you know, live to fight another day and became stronger from the whole thing. I know we’re pretty much out of time. We were out of time. We’re a little over, but I just want to end this with, I’d love to hear from each of the coaches, what would you say if you’re a woman or even a man who was really on the fence? Who’s just like, I don’t know if I can do this. The whole thing kind of scares me.
Remember, we’re going to have three days of coaching, being out in nature, working on your business, doing some outdoor activities, some hiking, some rafting, some other fun stuff too before the Spartan race. The Spartan race is on the last day of the retreat, you’ll have people with you. You don’t have to run the whole thing, but I would just love to hear from each of you, if somebody is on the fence, they’re not sure if this is right for me, what would you coach them on? What would you say to somebody who is considering doing something like this? Adrienne.
Adrienne:
The thing that just came to mind for me is that, there is a benefit in being uncomfortable and being comfortable with being uncomfortable. I think we have all gone through so much with COVID. We can’t forget that we’re still living with it now. It’s caused a lot of mental strife and people have lost people, sometimes business, you just don’t even want to do it. You just want to go and be in bed.
I think that there couldn’t be a better time than May in Montana to really reconnect with nature, yourself, and sort of the rhythm of life. So, you know, I would say that this is something to do, to truly invest in, getting back to yourself, refocusing, and pushing through and doing something really hard.
Jennifer:
I agree. It’s going to be a beautiful time. A beautiful course. I love that. Julie.
Julie:
Again, I would say, invest. Invest in yourself and make it an unforgettable year. We’ve liked to forget the last couple of years they’ve been really soul depleting This could be so uplifting. You could go and inspire yourself and inspire those around you.
I would say I’m so looking forward to this challenge and, , I can’t imagine doing something more wonderful for myself this year. So join us is what I’m going to say.
Jennifer:
Okay. I love that. And Alesha.
Alesha:
I am going to say, because I know Jen and I have talked about a lot of the scary things that come along with a Spartan race. I would honestly say, I didn’t really know what I was getting into in my first one. I think that’s a good thing because you can’t psych yourself out of. Don’t stress out about it. This is an opportunity for you to go out and start to just scratch the surface of breaking out, trying something new and seeing how it feels for you.
Look at it as that opportunity to see, are you good at it? Do you like it? What can you do? How fun is it? We’re going to bond. There’s going to be all ladies there. We’ll boost each other up. We’ll pick you up. I’ve carried a gentleman in a wheelchair through a course. It’s fun. He wanted to do the monkey bars. We picked the wheelchair up, we got him through.
We’re going to be there to support you. I would say don’t psych yourself up too much about it. Look at it as an experience you’re going to get, and you’ll be able to see how it feels for you
Jennifer:
Oh, that’s so good. One of the things we are doing from now until the retreat is we have a weekly health coaching call.
If you were like so many of us on the couch and you’re like, okay, I’m in, I’m going to do this. We will help you come up with a plan, a fitness plan of what you need to be doing from now until May. We’re going to be there from now until then to support you on this process so that you can start taking steps towards your health.
I know for me, just the idea of working out, because I know I’m supposed to do it, or I should do it. It just isn’t enough motivation. Having the race and knowing I’m going to be out on this course so you better get out there and do some of your workout, Jen. For me having that goal really helps to motivate me. It shouldn’t be other than my own health. Like that should be enough, but it isn’t.
I need that goal to just be like, this is what I’m working for. It’s really helped me in the motivation side. I’m going to wrap this up by saying that for any of you, that in your heart, if there’s any part of your heart that says, holy cow, I would love to do that. Even if it’s scares the ever-living daylights out of you, hold onto that little piece of your heart that says, I’d really love to do this because I’m telling you that you can. You absolutely can do this. You just have to sign up and show up. If you sign up and show up, I promise that you can.
My personal goal with this retreat personally, the goal I set for myself was I want to see every woman who comes to this retreat have a life-changing moment. Whether it’s on the course, whether it’s during coaching, whatever it happens. That’s my personal goal for every woman, coaches included at this retreat is that they all have a life-changing moment.
If you sign up and if you show up, you can pretty much guarantee that you absolutely will. So you’re on the fence. Get off the fence. We’re here to boost you up over it. You won’t be alone. You will not get hurt. It will be a wonderful, amazing experience that will help to make you unbreakable. All right.
I had so much fun. I could sit here and talk with all you guys all day long. Thank you so much for being here with me today on the Happy Productive podcast. Any final little thoughts that anybody wants to leave?
Adrienne:
No, I would say just let everybody know where they can go to sign up.
Jennifer:
Okay. Yes, you need to go to the landing page for the Unbreakable Retreat and we should have a short URL, but we’re going to put it in the show notes.
If you’re seeing this posted in the Happy Productive podcast, go to the show notes. You’re going to see the link to the landing page so that you can find out all the information about the Unbreakable Retreat. You can also visit jenniferdawncoaching.com. We’ll have information posted there as well as bestplannerever.com
All right, you guys, that is it. Thank you so much for spending time with us today. I think now you can see why I am so excited now you’ve met all the coaches who are going to be there at the retreat and why I’m so excited to spend four days with these just amazing, amazing women.
So that’s it. You guys have a wonderful, wonderful day. Thank you so much for listening and get out there and have a Happy Productive day.